Investments (Details 4) (USD $) In Thousands	3 Months Ended	9 Months Ended
Sep. 30, 2011	Sep. 30, 2010	Sep. 30, 2011	Sep. 30, 2010
Sources of net investment income
Fixed income securities	$ 54,896	$ 50,921	$ 158,941	$ 150,001
Short-term investments	99	271	420	631
Other	962	1,011	2,992	3,053
Total investment income	55,957	52,203	162,353	153,685
Investment expense	1,192	1,066	3,571	3,082
Net investment income	$ 54,765	$ 51,137	$ 158,782	$ 150,603

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This item represents investment income derived from investments in debt and equity securities consisting of interest income earned from investments in debt securities and on cash and cash equivalents, dividend income from investments in equity securities, and income or expense derived from the amortization of investment related discounts or premiums, respectively, net of related investment expenses. This item does not include realized or unrealized gains or losses on the sale or holding of investments in debt and equity securities required to be included in earnings for the period or for other than temporary losses related to investments in debt and equity securities which are included in realized losses in the period recognized, and does not include investment income from real or personal property, such as rental income.

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