SEC FORM 4

SEC Form 4

FORM 4

UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549

STATEMENT OF CHANGES IN BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP

Filed pursuant to Section 16(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
or Section 30(h) of the Investment Company Act of 1940

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1. Name and Address of Reporting Person^*

NELSON GLEN D

(Last)

(First)

(Middle)

385 WASHINGTON STREET

(Street)

SAINT PAUL

55102

(City)

(State)

(Zip)

2. Issuer Name and Ticker or Trading Symbol
ST PAUL COMPANIES INC /MN/ [ SPC ]

5. Relationship of Reporting Person(s) to Issuer
(Check all applicable)

X	Director	10% Owner
	Officer (give title below)	Other (specify below)

3. Date of Earliest Transaction (Month/Day/Year)
10/17/2003

4. If Amendment, Date of Original Filed (Month/Day/Year)

6. Individual or Joint/Group Filing (Check Applicable Line)

X	Form filed by One Reporting Person
	Form filed by More than One Reporting Person

Table I - Non-Derivative Securities Acquired, Disposed of, or Beneficially Owned
1. Title of Security (Instr. 3)	2. Transaction Date (Month/Day/Year)	2A. Deemed Execution Date, if any (Month/Day/Year)	3. Transaction Code (Instr. 8)		4. Securities Acquired (A) or Disposed Of (D) (Instr. 3, 4 and 5)			5. Amount of Securities Beneficially Owned Following Reported Transaction(s) (Instr. 3 and 4)	6. Ownership Form: Direct (D) or Indirect (I) (Instr. 4)	7. Nature of Indirect Beneficial Ownership (Instr. 4)
1. Title of Security (Instr. 3)	2. Transaction Date (Month/Day/Year)	2A. Deemed Execution Date, if any (Month/Day/Year)	Code	V	Amount	(A) or (D)	Price		6. Ownership Form: Direct (D) or Indirect (I) (Instr. 4)	7. Nature of Indirect Beneficial Ownership (Instr. 4)

Table II - Derivative Securities Acquired, Disposed of, or Beneficially Owned (e.g., puts, calls, warrants, options, convertible securities)
1. Title of Derivative Security (Instr. 3)	2. Conversion or Exercise Price of Derivative Security	3. Transaction Date (Month/Day/Year)	3A. Deemed Execution Date, if any (Month/Day/Year)	4. Transaction Code (Instr. 8)		5. Number of Derivative Securities Acquired (A) or Disposed of (D) (Instr. 3, 4 and 5)		6. Date Exercisable and Expiration Date (Month/Day/Year)		7. Title and Amount of Securities Underlying Derivative Security (Instr. 3 and 4)		8. Price of Derivative Security (Instr. 5)	9. Number of derivative Securities Beneficially Owned Following Reported Transaction(s) (Instr. 4)	10. Ownership Form: Direct (D) or Indirect (I) (Instr. 4)	11. Nature of Indirect Beneficial Ownership (Instr. 4)
1. Title of Derivative Security (Instr. 3)	2. Conversion or Exercise Price of Derivative Security	3. Transaction Date (Month/Day/Year)	3A. Deemed Execution Date, if any (Month/Day/Year)	Code	V	(A)	(D)	Date Exercisable	Expiration Date	Title	Amount or Number of Shares	8. Price of Derivative Security (Instr. 5)		10. Ownership Form: Direct (D) or Indirect (I) (Instr. 4)	11. Nature of Indirect Beneficial Ownership (Instr. 4)
Deferred Compensation Phantom Stock	⁽¹⁾	10/17/2003		A		39.86		⁽²⁾	⁽²⁾	Common Stock	39.86	$36.49	4,752.65	D
Deferred Compensation Phantom Stock	⁽¹⁾	11/03/2003		A		25.75		⁽³⁾	⁽³⁾	Common Stock	25.75	$38.84	4,778.4	D
Deferred Compensation Phantom Stock	⁽¹⁾	11/04/2003		A		221.38		⁽³⁾	⁽³⁾	Common Stock	221.38	$38.96	4,999.78	D

Explanation of Responses:

1. This Deferred Compensation Phantom Stock is converted on a one-for-one basis.

2. These are phantom shares acquired through dividend reinvestment under the Company's Director's Deferred Compensation Plan. Allowed distributions must be received by the Reporting Person in cash according to an election previously made by the Reporting Person, approved by the Company's Compensation Committee, and kept on file by the Company. Acquisitions are exempt under Rule 16b-3(d).

3. These are phantom shares acquired under the Company's Director's Deferred Compensation Plan. Allowed distributions must be received by the Reporting Person in cash according to an election previously made by the Reporting Person, approved by the Company's Compensation Committee, and kept on file by the Company. Acquisitions are exempt under Rule 16b-3(d).

	Bruce A. Backberg by power of attorney	11/05/2003
	** Signature of Reporting Person	Date
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