Retiree Benefits (Details) - USD ($) $ in Thousands	3 Months Ended		9 Months Ended
	Jul. 29, 2016	Jul. 31, 2015	Jul. 29, 2016	Jul. 31, 2015
Pension Plan
Components of net periodic benefit cost
Service cost	$ 1,227	$ 1,028	$ 3,679	$ 2,978
Interest cost	18,742	18,344	56,224	57,690
Expected return on assets	(23,803)	(25,897)	(71,478)	(80,487)
Amortization of prior service cost	16	17	50	52
Curtailment loss	0	0	0	0
Mark to market adjustment on curtailed plans	0	0	0	0
Special termination benefits	0	0	0	0
Contractual termination benefits			9,408	0
Net periodic benefit (income) cost	(3,818)	(6,508)	(2,117)	(19,767)
Postretirement Benefits
Components of net periodic benefit cost
Service cost	153	204	466	613
Interest cost	279	290	839	872
Expected return on assets	(143)	(155)	(437)	(466)
Amortization of prior service cost	30	33	107	99
Curtailment loss	178	0	(484)	0
Mark to market adjustment on curtailed plans	(123)	0	(159)	0
Special termination benefits	40	0	40	0
Contractual termination benefits			0	0
Net periodic benefit (income) cost	$ 414	$ 372	$ 372	$ 1,118