Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 debt fv) (Details 2) - USD ($) $ in Thousands	Apr. 30, 2024	Oct. 31, 2023
Book value [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	$ 2,843,291	$ 2,867,436
Book value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	1,115,750	1,167,378
Book value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	127,541	100,058
Book value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	1,600,000	1,600,000
Estimate fair value [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	2,751,888	2,731,982
Estimate fair value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	1,091,970	1,150,704
Estimate fair value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	127,541	100,058
Estimate fair value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	$ 1,532,377	$ 1,481,220