Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 debt fv) (Details 4) - USD ($) $ in Thousands	Jan. 31, 2017	Oct. 31, 2016
Reported Value Measurement [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	$ 3,645,953	$ 3,790,185
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	881,537	872,809
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	57,040	210,000
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	2,707,376	2,707,376
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	3,751,401	3,923,561
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	879,581	870,384
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	57,040	210,000
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member]
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items]
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure	$ 2,814,780	$ 2,843,177