Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 loan UPB vs FV) (Details 1) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	Jul. 31, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012
Aggregate unpaid principal and fair value of mortgage loans held for sale
Aggregate unpaid principal balance	$ 73,489	$ 84,986
Mortgage Loans on Real Estate, Commercial and Consumer, Net	72,163	86,386
Excess	(1,326)	1,400
Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member]
Aggregate unpaid principal and fair value of mortgage loans held for sale
Mortgage Loans on Real Estate, Commercial and Consumer, Net	$ 72,163	$ 86,386

The balance represents the amount of loans that are secured by real estate mortgages, offset by the reserve to cover probable credit losses on the loan portfolio.

Reference 1: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef

-Publisher FASB

-Name Accounting Standards Codification

-Topic 944

-SubTopic 210

-Section S99

-Paragraph 1

-Subparagraph (SX 210.7-03.1(c))

-URI http://asc.fasb.org/extlink&oid=6879938&loc=d3e572229-122910

Reference 2: http://www.xbrl.org/2003/role/presentationRef

-Publisher SEC

-Name Regulation S-X (SX)

-Number 210

-Section 03

-Paragraph 1

-Subparagraph c

-Article 7

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