Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 loan UPB vs FV) (Details 1) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	Apr. 30, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012
Aggregate unpaid principal and fair value of mortgage loans held for sale
Aggregate unpaid principal balance	$ 64,777	$ 84,986
Mortgage Loans on Real Estate, Commercial and Consumer, Net	66,538	86,386
Excess	1,761	1,400
Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member]
Aggregate unpaid principal and fair value of mortgage loans held for sale
Mortgage Loans on Real Estate, Commercial and Consumer, Net	$ 66,538	$ 86,386

The balance represents the amount of loans that are secured by real estate mortgages, offset by the reserve to cover probable credit losses on the loan portfolio.

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-Name Statement of Financial Accounting Standard (FAS)

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-Publisher SEC

-Name Regulation S-X (SX)

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