4.	DEBTS AND COMMITMENTS

During fiscal

2013,

the Company borrowed from its investment margin account the aggregate purchase price of

$29.5

million for

two

acquisitions, in each case pledging its marketable securities as collateral. The interest rate for these investment margin account borrowings fluctuates based on the Federal Funds Rate plus

basis points with interest only payable monthly. The interest rate as of

September 30, 2019

was

2.50%.

These investment margin account borrowings do

not

mature.

November 2015,

the Company purchased a

30,700

square foot office building constructed in

1998

on about

3.6

acres in Logan, Utah that had been previously leased by Journal Technologies. The Company paid

$1.24

million and financed the balance with a real estate bank loan of

$2.26

million which bears a fixed interest rate of

4.66%

and is repayable in equal monthly installments of about

$17,600

through

2030.

This loan is secured by the Logan facility and can be paid off at any time without prepayment penalty. This real estate loan had a balance of approximately

$1.84

million as of

September 30, 2019.

The Company also owns its facilities in Los Angeles and leases space for its other offices under operating leases which expire at various dates through fiscal

2021.

The Company leased approximately

6,200

square feet of office space in San Francisco, but the Company closed its San Francisco office upon the end of the lease in

October 2019.

Journal Technologies leases about

7,100

square feet of office space (expiring in

May 2020)

in Corona, California for a monthly rent of approximately

$14,000

and

9,800

square feet of office space (expiring in

August 2020)

in Englewood, Colorado for a monthly rent of approximately

$23,000.

The Company is responsible for a portion of maintenance, insurance and property tax expenses relating to the leased properties. Rental expenses for fiscal years

2019,

2018

and

2017

were

$1,017,000,

$996,000

and

$742,000,

respectively.

The following table represents the Company’s future obligations:

	Payments due by Fiscal Year
	2020		2021		2022		2023		2024		2025 and after		Total
Real estate loan	$	126,000	$	133,000	$	139,000	$	146,000	$	153,000	$	1,138,000	$	1,835,000
Obligations under operating leases		474,000		40,000		---		---		---		---		514,000
Long-term accrued liabilities*		---		23,000		8,000		13,000		51,000		135,000		230,000
	$	600,000	$	196,000	$	147,000	$	159,000	$	204,000	$	1,273,000	$	2,579,000

* The long-term accrued liabilities for the Management Incentive Plan are discounted to the present value using a discount rate of

6%.