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<SEC-DOCUMENT>0001209191-07-065817.txt : 20071121
<SEC-HEADER>0001209191-07-065817.hdr.sgml : 20071121
<ACCEPTANCE-DATETIME>20071121181725
ACCESSION NUMBER:		0001209191-07-065817
CONFORMED SUBMISSION TYPE:	4
PUBLIC DOCUMENT COUNT:		1
CONFORMED PERIOD OF REPORT:	20071115
FILED AS OF DATE:		20071121
DATE AS OF CHANGE:		20071121

ISSUER:		

	COMPANY DATA:	
		COMPANY CONFORMED NAME:			PNC FINANCIAL SERVICES GROUP INC
		CENTRAL INDEX KEY:			0000713676
		STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION:	NATIONAL COMMERCIAL BANKS [6021]
		IRS NUMBER:				251435979
		STATE OF INCORPORATION:			PA
		FISCAL YEAR END:			1231

	BUSINESS ADDRESS:	
		STREET 1:		ONE PNC PLAZA
		STREET 2:		249 FIFTH AVENUE
		CITY:			PITTSBURGH
		STATE:			PA
		ZIP:			15222
		BUSINESS PHONE:		412-762-2000

	MAIL ADDRESS:	
		STREET 1:		ONE PNC PLAZA
		STREET 2:		249 FIFTH AVENUE
		CITY:			PITTSBURGH
		STATE:			PA
		ZIP:			15222

	FORMER COMPANY:	
		FORMER CONFORMED NAME:	PNC BANK CORP
		DATE OF NAME CHANGE:	19930505

	FORMER COMPANY:	
		FORMER CONFORMED NAME:	PNC BANK CORP /PA/
		DATE OF NAME CHANGE:	19930428

	FORMER COMPANY:	
		FORMER CONFORMED NAME:	PNC FINANCIAL CORP /PA/
		DATE OF NAME CHANGE:	19930412

REPORTING-OWNER:	

	OWNER DATA:	
		COMPANY CONFORMED NAME:			PUDLIN HELEN P
		CENTRAL INDEX KEY:			0001194845

	FILING VALUES:
		FORM TYPE:		4
		SEC ACT:		1934 Act
		SEC FILE NUMBER:	001-09718
		FILM NUMBER:		071264193

	MAIL ADDRESS:	
		STREET 1:		249 FIFTH AVE
		STREET 2:		P1-POPP-30-1
		CITY:			PITTSBURGH
		STATE:			PA
		ZIP:			15222
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        <footnote id="F1">Shares withheld to satisfy tax liability resulting from the vesting of restricted stock previously granted.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F2">These shares are maintained in a brokerage account registered in the name of the reporting person's spouse as Custodian under the Pennsylvania Uniform Transfers to Minors Act.  The reporting person disclaims ownership of these securities and this report shall not be deemed an admission that the reporting person is the beneficial owner of such securities for purposes of Section 16 or for any other purpose.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F3">One phantom stock unit is the economic equivalent of one share of PNC Common Stock.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F4">Phantom Stock Units received as dividend equivalents under the PNC Deferred Compensation Plan.</footnote>
        <footnote id="F5">Phantom Stock Units will be settled in cash upon distribution from the reporting person's plan account and generally do not expire.</footnote>
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    <remarks></remarks>

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        <signatureName>Lori A. Hasselman, Attorney-in-Fact for Helen P. Pudlin</signatureName>
        <signatureDate>2007-11-21</signatureDate>
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