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Management agreement, fees and transactions with related party (Details) - USD ($)
3 Months Ended 9 Months Ended
Jul. 31, 2017
Jul. 31, 2016
Jul. 31, 2017
Jul. 31, 2016
Nov. 30, 2016
Oct. 31, 2016
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Asset management fees $ 593,000 $ 515,000 $ 1,749,000 $ 1,501,000    
Trustee fees and related interest payable in stock units     620,000      
Secured loans receivable $ 5,451,000   $ 5,451,000   $ 5,451,000 $ 5,451,000
Minimum [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Asset management fees percentage rate     4.00%      
Maximum [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Asset management fees percentage rate     5.00%      
Grande Rotunda, LLC [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Ownership by noncontrolling owners (percentage) 40.00%   40.00%      
Ownership by parent (percentage) 60.00%   60.00%      
Due to affiliate $ 4,800,000   $ 4,800,000      
Damascus Centre, LLC [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Ownership by noncontrolling owners (percentage) 30.00%   30.00%      
Ownership by parent (percentage) 70.00%   70.00%      
Managing Agent Hekemian & Co [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Asset management fees $ 555,000 485,000 $ 1,629,000 1,419,000    
Leasing commissions and reimbursement of operating expenses 305,000 147,000 702,000 452,000    
Insurance commissions 116,000 101,000 171,000 164,000    
Redevelopment fees 467,500 33,000 467,500 391,000    
Robert S. Hekemian [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Trustee fees and related interest payable in stock units 132,000 131,000 405,000 401,000    
Robert S. Hekemian, Jr. [Member]            
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]            
Trustee fees and related interest payable in stock units $ 16,000 $ 16,000 $ 50,000 $ 49,000