Deferred fee plan (Details Narrative) (Deferred Fee Plan, USD $)	12 Months Ended
	Oct. 31, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012	Oct. 31, 2011
Deferred Fee Plan
Trustee fee expense	$ 1,145,000	$ 1,092,000	$ 978,000
Deferred trustee fees	4,703,000	4,244,000
Deferred accrued interest	$ 3,110,000	$ 2,468,000
Interest rate on any deferred fee	9.00%
Term of distribution to participants	10 years