Fair value of long-term debt (Details) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified	Jul. 31, 2013	Oct. 31, 2012
Fair Value Of Long-Term Debt Details
Fair value of long-term debt	$ 200,500	$ 213,200
Carrying value of long-term debt	$ 198,379	$ 200,420

Carrying value as of the balance sheet date, including the current and noncurrent portions, of collateralized debt obligations (with maturities initially due after one year or beyond the operating cycle, if longer). Such obligations include mortgage loans, chattel loans, and any other borrowings secured by assets of the borrower.

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