Certain financial instruments are not carried at fair value. The following is a summary of the carrying amounts and estimated fair values of these financial instruments at January 31, 2013 and October 31, 2012:

		January 31, 2013					October 31, 2012
(in thousands)		Carrying Value		Fair Value	Fair Value level		Carrying Value		Fair Value	Fair Value level
Investments, other	$	7,470	$	7,470	3	$	7,470	$	7,470	3
Other assets	$	8,312	$	8,312	3	$	8,307	$	8,307	3
Debt	$	500,000	$	598,331	1	$	500,000	$	604,316	1

Included in investments, other, is a $6.6 million non-controlling capital interest in Atlanta Capital Management Holdings, LLC (“ACM Holdings”), a partnership that owns certain non-controlling interests of Atlanta Capital. The Company's interest in ACM Holdings is non-voting and entitles the Company to receive $6.6 million when put or call options for certain non-controlling interests of Atlanta Capital are exercised. The carrying value of this investment approximates fair value. The fair value of the investment is determined using a cash flow model which projects future cash flows based upon contractual obligations. Once the undiscounted cash flows have been determined, the Company applies an appropriate discount rate. The inputs to the model are considered Level 3.

Included in other assets is a five-year option to acquire an additional 26 percent interest in Hexavest. The $8.3 million carrying value of this option approximates fair value. The fair value of the option is determined using a Monte Carlo model which simulates potential future market multiples of earnings before interest and taxes (“EBIT”) and compares this to the contractually fixed multiple of Hexavest's EBIT at which the option can be exercised. The Monte Carlo model uses this array of simulated multiples and their difference from the contractual multiple times the projected EBIT for Hexavest to estimate the future exercise value of the option, which is then adjusted to present value. The inputs to the model are considered Level 3.

The fair value of the Company's debt has been determined using publicly available market prices, which are considered Level 1 inputs.