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Acquisitions, Goodwill and Intangible Assets 4 (Details) (USD $)
12 Months Ended
Oct. 31, 2012
Oct. 31, 2011
Oct. 31, 2010
Amortization Expense      
Amortizing intangible assets amortization expense $ 8,000,000 $ 7,900,000 $ 7,800,000
Estimated amortization expense      
2013 7,995,000    
2014 7,968,000    
2015 7,743,000    
2016 7,301,000    
2017 $ 7,189,000