Unpaid Loss and Loss Adjustment Expenses Property and casualty (table) (Details) - USD ($) $ in Thousands	12 Months Ended
	Dec. 31, 2016	Dec. 31, 2015	Dec. 31, 2014	Dec. 31, 2016	Dec. 31, 2015	Dec. 31, 2014	Dec. 31, 2013
Liability for Claims and Claims Adjustment Expense [Line Items]
Balance at beginning of period, gross	$ 55,471	$ 63,895
Less reinsurance recoverable related to property and casualty unpaid loss and loss adjustment expenses	681			$ 681
Balance at beginning of period, net				49,158
Disposal of unpaid loss and loss adjustment expenses related to PIH	(109,609)	(92,812)	$ (86,227)
Plus reinsurance recoverable related to property and casualty unpaid loss and loss adjustment expenses	681
Balance at end of period, gross	53,795	55,471	63,895
Property, Liability and Casualty Insurance Product Line [Member]
Liability for Claims and Claims Adjustment Expense [Line Items]
Balance at beginning of period, gross	55,471	63,895	84,534
Less reinsurance recoverable related to property and casualty unpaid loss and loss adjustment expenses	681	1,207	3,203	681	$ 1,207	$ 3,203	$ 7,942
Balance at beginning of period, net				$ 53,114	$ 54,264	$ 60,692	$ 76,592
Current year	96,289	86,439	84,577
Prior years	(8,095)	(616)	(5,123)
Current year	(62,978)	(54,415)	(52,521)
Prior years	(42,556)	(39,068)	(42,428)
Plus reinsurance recoverable related to property and casualty unpaid loss and loss adjustment expenses	681	1,207	3,203
Balance at end of period, gross	$ 53,795	$ 55,471	63,895
Sale of Subsidiary Gain (Loss) [Member]
Liability for Claims and Claims Adjustment Expense [Line Items]
Disposal of unpaid loss and loss adjustment expenses related to PIH			$ (405)